NEWFORUM

[mahulena]

no páni, ona již bude 4.série
ještě neviděla, ani třetí
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[Dzana]

Já ani druhou
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[Monika N.]

The Tudors Season 4 Opening Credits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkDwOZguQa8
Moc pěkné



Jinak jsem zjistila, že 4. série už je v běhu. Nějak jsem zaspala, ale asi začnu stahovat, docela se těším.
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Bazinga!

[Monika N.]

About Season 4

The latest and concluding season of the Showtime series The Tudors brings us through the final years of one of the greatest figures of English history. Although he has been in power for many years and should be now well settled in his status and position, Henry’s life and times remain as turbulent, controversial and dramatic as they did when he was the tyro young King of Season I. Creator of The Tudors Michael Hirst sums up the season: ‘We’re coming to the end of Henry’s life but things don’t slacken up - far from going out quietly Henry VIII goes out with an extraordinary bang as a middle-aged man. He was older, but only in his late 40s. He was ill, he had an extremely serious ulcerated leg, and more paranoid but then he marries an extremely young woman, who was totally not the right background to be a Queen. At the same time he goes to war. And then he marries again, for the final time, to a woman who is very capable but who everyone thinks is a heretic and some want to execute. So lots of action right to the very end!”

Producer Morgan O’Sullivan offers an taste of what to expect: “It’s hard to make Jonathan Rhys Meyers look bad but in the costumes we are putting a little weight on him - by degrees - graying him a little and doing some prosthetic work so that by the end of the season viewers will notice a marked difference in his appearance, because Henry is at the point where he has gone out of control. Jonathan lives this part to such a degree and knows the character of this man so well that it’s extraordinary to watch him now after four seasons – how instinctually he plays the role.”

Rhys Meyers has indeed a unique insight into Henry VIII having played more Henry for more time than any other actor in TV or film history. He describes the King’s lust and apparent love for the young Katherine Howard in contemporary terms: “She is the midlife crisis girl . . . the Tudor equivalent of going out and buying the red Ferrari when you are 50 and divorced. Obviously she is ridiculously young; the marriage could never work. But Henry kind of uses her—and I always thought of her as a kind of a leech. I don’t mean leeching off Henry, but is a naiveté about her sexual behavior which I think Henry recognizes and uses her as a leech to draw out the bad blood, you know? There is nothing to test your friends more than if you leave them alone with something that they really want.”

Tamzin Merchant plays the ill-fated and coquettish young Katherine. Why does Henry choose her? “I think Henry sees a young, bright, vivacious, lively girl and an opportunity to have another child, basically. Her purity and naiveté also contrasts greatly with the other people that he had in his life at the time. He’s increasingly paranoid, and increasingly untrusting of people. But Catherine Howard seems to be the antidote to the court, and all of its intrigues.’ But the pleasures cut both ways. “I think that Catherine sees the chance to be loved,” says Tamzin… “and the opportunity for a really good time, essentially, a lot of Jimmy Choos, and Vivian Westwood style dresses and a lot of good times!” Of course, admits Tamzin, “Katherine really doesn't anticipate or really understand the responsibilities that go along with being the Queen. Catherine doesn't even really understand the concept of politics or even what the King represents . . . and that’s her downfall.”

More specifically, it is her adulterous affair with Thomas Culpepper, the King’s groom that brings about her demise. “Thomas Culpepper is a very handsome guy who is infatuated with Katherine,” says Tamzin but he is also really comfort and love for this naïve young woman. In the end he comes to represent everything that the King can't really give her.”

Torrance Coombs plays Culpepper. He explains the nature of the relationship with the Queen: “It starts out very much as a lustful fantasy . . . he fancies Catherine above all else, and that’s the motivation behind some of the crazy things he does. The thing is that she kind of encourages him so although it starts out as a fantasy it gradually becomes more of a reality. What is amazing to me is that historically there is a man that had the audacity to think he could get away with this . . . his lust or, or his love or whatever is so strong that he just doesn’t care. They can’t help themselves, but there is really no way it can end well for either of them.”

Isn’t all this sex kind of racy and modern for a period drama? Rhys Meyers has a definite opinion on this: “People can fall into the trap of doing something period that thinks that everybody and everything slows down. It doesn’t. Now certainly, it’s not as fast‑moving as our world today with airplanes and computers and all of that. But you know, just because it’s period, people don’t walk slower, they don’t talk slower . . . or lower. As an actor you have to put all those conventions out of your head; people are still people and they still live”.

What about historical accuracy? Michael Hirst believes that The Tudors brings out into the open the gaps and contradictions in the historical record that academic history shies away from. “Of course, there are certain facts which are incontrovertible,” he says, “but beyond that there’s just interpretation and there are surprisingly few sources. So I discovered that the truth is variable and I also discovered that most historians are very bad psychologists: They don’t tell you very much about the human relationships in history. I’ve discovered that nearly all the caricatures of Henry’s wives for instance, are nonsense or only tell a little bit of the story.”
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Bazinga!

[Monika N.]

One such caricature he identifies is Anne of Cleves (Joss Stone). “There’s no doubt - reading the records and between the lines - that he was impotent when he married Anne of Cleves,” says Michael, “and that was the problem. She wasn’t ugly and smelly. Which accounts for his rage and accounts for getting rid of her.” Jonathan Rhys Meyers sees another dimension to the reconciliation of the King and his former wife in Season 4: “There is no pressure when he sees her the next time. So he really enjoys her, and he actually kind of finds her quite attractive. Anne of Cleves just seemed more the woman—and he says it— ‘she is a woman who doesn’t play the woman’. Which is very attractive to him at that time. He plays cards and talks… when you are the top man, when you are the King, who do you talk to?

Last Relationships
As he approaches death, two of Henry’s relationships – in a life filled with relationships and betrayals – remain steadfast. The first is his oldest and most loyal friend Charles Brandon (Henry Cavill) who has been with him since the beginning. The second, his sixth and final wife, Catherine Parr (Joely Richardson) nurses him and provides patient comfort.

Henry Cavill explains that Season 4 is a turbulent one for Brandon. “He’s certainly not in a good way - last year he killed thousands of innocents during the suppression of the rebellion and that weighs on his shoulders. And then he went down a path which was completely contrary to who he is - the dogged pursuit of Cromwell and his death. And then his wife decided that she loved him no longer. These things would leave any man in a bad place, in a dark place. So at the beginning I think he believes his life is winding down to an end and this is how it’s supposed to be.”

Michael Hirst explains that although Brandon is often referred to in the history books, little is known of him. “I thought he was a very interesting character to think about: All the historians simply comment that he was Henry’s oldest friend, but there isn’t a great deal written about him. We do know that Henry is always appointing him a General if there’s a war going on, that he became massively rich, and that his son played with Henry’s son, but we never get a full portrait. I had to fill in a lot of the gaps; I had to imagine what it would be like to be Brandon and what the relationship might have been like. He was obviously extremely loyal to Henry and from a dramatic point of view I needed someone to be the conscience to react to the savagery that Henry descended into after the pilgrimage of Grace.”

Both Brandon and Henry recover something of their youth during the Siege of Boulogne, the big outdoor set-piece at the centre of Season 4. “He’s found a reason to live again,” says Henry Cavill of Brandon. “He’s back doing one of the things he’s good at - leading men, fighting. He’s chasing his youth and he finds it in Boulogne. And in the young woman Brigitte he meets there: his heart opens again and life, the color comes back into life.”

“War gave Henry back his raison d’etre [purpose]”, says Michael Hirst. “Going to war was a macho thing, he said that he felt better and people said of him that he looked healthier, he was animated again.” But, as Jonathan Rhys Meyers notes, it was the idea of war and not political ambition that was the point of the exercise: “Once he gets Boulogne he pulls back. Charles Brandon comes to him and says, “What’s happening? I thought we were going to take over France…” And Henry has to explain to him— “I don’t have the men, I don’t have the manpower; I don’t have the money to own all of France.” He has what he wants and so he goes home.”

Just before heading to France, Henry marries the twice widowed Catherine Parr who has been very capably acting as Regent in his absence. “I don’t think he marries her because of love” says Rhys Meyers, “And it’s not because of sex; it’s basically they are equal and he can talk to her on that level. He is not looking for love now; he is looking for a partnership.

“I think all her life has been duty”, explains Joely Richardson. When we meet Catherine Parr she’s fallen in love with Thomas Seymour – perhaps the first love of her life. “She’s totally lost her heart to him when Henry takes an interest in her and she gets married because she doesn’t have a choice. Initially she definitely doesn’t want to be with him. And when she starts to receive presents from him and his attention, it’s the worst thing that could happen to her. But then she becomes fascinated by him, she sees something lost in him. She’s still frightened of him of course. And I think she gets fascinated by court life and because she is an incredibly intelligent woman, I think she starts to ask how can she influence it in terms of her religion, in terms of helping Henry run court life better. So she gets interested by all that and forgets about Thomas Seymour – although of course in reality she went on to marry him after the death of Henry.”

After playing four seasons as the most infamous monarch in English history, how does Jonathan Rhys Meyers assess Henry VIII? “He did some very, very important things for England. Most importantly, he gave them Elizabeth, who I think is England’s most important monarch. He puts things in motion that years later would come into fruition. And he was a very intelligent man — but he was racked with ego, vanity, his thoughts of his own divinity. You know, absolute power corrupts absolutely, so he was very corrupt. So on the one hand I have empathy for him and a degree of admiration — but not much. I think he makes great television; but he was not, in the final analysis, a great king.”
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Bazinga!

[Monika N.]

První dva dílky nové série jsem už slupla a celkem jsem si i pochutnala Výhrad by bylo habaděj (hlavně mě znechutila scéna se znásilněním - odvážné scény ještě snesu, i když je taky nemusím, ale tohle je moc ), ovšem vizuální stránka je opět slušná Super kostýmy
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[Monika N.]

Promo nové řady

http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/PROMO+PHOTOS+of+The+Tudors
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Bazinga!

[Lena]

pěkné fotky. Musím si na to někdy udělat čas
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"Dnes byl dobrý den, jedl jsem pětkrát, spal šestkrát a zabral si pro sebe, co se dalo."

[Elenita]

Moni, viděla jsi poslední díl Tudorovců? Mně se nějak nelíbil, přišel mi až moc patetický a Henrymu jsem to "vyměknutí" prostě nevěřila.
Každopádně se mi ovšem líbila scéna s lady Hertford, kdy to brutálně natírá biskupovi. Lady Hertford mi byla ve čtvrté sérii velmi sympatická, i když jí taky někdy bylo dost.
Jinak ty poslední díly mi přišly hrozně rychlé a skokové, asi to chtělo víc rozpracovat, nevím.
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[Monika N.]

Neviděla Já jsem se zasekla u 5. dílu, když byly ty popravy Kateřiny a Culpepera. To mě tak znechutilo, že jsem neměla chuť dívat se dál Někdy je toho násilí až moc. Škoda... kdyby tam nebylo tolik násilí a sexu, byl by to dobrý seriál.
Ale díky za upozornění, že už je konec, podívala jsem se aspoň na tu halucinaci s Anne Nic moc mu neřekla, ale jsem ráda za každou scénu s ní, neb ji mám z celého seriálu nejradši.
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Bazinga!

[Ali]

Právě jsem zjistila, že Nova bude dávat druhou řadu. je to čtvrtek a začínají prázdniny, tak jsem zvědavá, jak dlouho to poběží. Jestli nebude jen první díl a zbytek až v září.
Tudorovci II (1) - čtvrtek 1. 7. 2010, 21:50 - Nova
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[Dzana]

Aha, díky za upozornění. Tedy doufám, že mě eventuálně nechá tchán dívat dívat se, když se sejdeme na chatě.
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[Ali]

Nahráváte některá druhou sérii na Nově? jsem úplně marná, neviděla jsem ani jeden díl.
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